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14-12-2018, 12:17 PM
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Master
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Location: Brooklyn, New York
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Originally Posted by Shivani Devi
You are correct.
Dakshinamurthy (one who faces South) is recognised as an avatar of Lord Shiva as Adi Guru (the first Guru) who taught a few...in silence and not in silence, at different times, so it is easy to get confused, and because there is also no definitive answer and it's not something one can simply "look up for reference", people have reached their own conclusions and none of it can be proven either way:
https://www.quora.com/Is-the-story-o...-Sadhguru-true
In some pictures, Dakshinamurthy is seen with four disciples, in some, five...in some seven:
https://goo.gl/images/RTFSRA
I know that Sadguru has it a bit skewed though, even down to the translation of Shiva's name..
However, since this all happened at the start of this current ante deluvian manvantara, some 25,000 years ago, the details are all a bit sketchy..
OR...As my Higher Self just pointed out while I just typed the above...Maybe Dakshinamurthy appears at the start of each manvantara and has different disciples? One time, it was the four Kumaras, another time it was the Seven Sages...
I just go by Tamil legend...However, the Nath tradition says another thing, Sadguru another thing...and nobody knows.
The only thing that is agreed upon is that Dakshinamurthy is the Guru within one's heart, and teaches the student until an Earthly Guru is found.
Aum Namah Shivaya
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Dakshinamurti is indeed widely considered to be "an avatar of Lord Shiva" and I accept that.
Ramana Maharshi dedicates an entire talk to the silence of Dakshinamurti and states quite clearly that "the significance of it is that there is nothing to be learnt, discussed, and concluded". There is , however, much to "unlearn".
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14-12-2018, 12:18 PM
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Master
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Location: Brooklyn, New York
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Originally Posted by wstein
Fourth Type: future master teaches self, no need to go to another to look within
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Ultimately, of course, there is "no need to go to another to look within".
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14-12-2018, 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Still_Waters
I must introduce this story by saying that I got the story from Dwai, a poster on another site. It triggered a lengthy discussion on what exactly is a "true master" and what type of a student is best suited for each type of Master. I hope you enjoy it as much as I did (and still do).
STORY OF THE THREE MASTERS:
Once a sincere student goes to an old master reputed to the best, who has only 3-4 students sitting around him in silence. Not a word is spoken. The student sits for a few days but gets frustrated and leaves to go the master who is reputed to be second best, who has 10-15 students sitting around him and they all are doing some yogic practices with minimal words being uttered. The student spends a few more days here and finally, sufficiently frustrated in his ability to get the answers he was seeking, he goes to the third best master. Upon reaching there he sees hundreds of students and the master is preaching the truths, expounding on the sutras for hours on end. Student finds himself being very happy. After a few days he approaches the master and says “master, it looks like you are not getting the credit you deserve. When I was asking for references to great masters, I was told you are only third best in the land, the other two masters A & B are considered best and second best respectively! How unfair...I visited them both before coming to you, and i found your teachings to be most meaningful. Please master, tell me how I can help you remedy this gross injustice!”
To that the master C replied .. “what did you see when you went to master A?”
student replied “he wasn’t teaching anything, just sitting quietly and smiling!”
master C asked “what about master B?”
student replied “he was just teaching some meditation and yogic techniques and using very few words!”
To that master C replied “ my dear student, how I wish I was able to teach like masters A and B. They are both at a higher level than me, and so, master B is able to teach what I can convey with hours of lectures with his presence along with just simple statements and meditative techniques, while master A doesn’t even need to say anything, his mere presence is all it takes for the teachings to be transmitted! You my dear student were not prepared for masters A or B, and that’s why you couldn’t benefit from their teachings.”
student retorted “ so why where there only a handful of students with each of these masters, while you have hundreds?”
master C replied “that’s because most of the students are not qualified for the other masters’ teachings yet. They have to attain a degree of purification of the mind to comprehend what they teach. So they come to me, as I give them material in a way that will help their minds grasp. It is a longer path.”
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All I can say to that is.....
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14-12-2018, 09:48 PM
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Originally Posted by ketzer
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Silence is indeed golden.
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20-12-2018, 05:18 PM
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Ha...and where there is a need ...the teacher will come.
Each Master was absolute perfection for what was needed.
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-You need to have a fire and brimstone preacher screaming from
a pulpit threatening you about hell to snap you out of living
a life of crime?
Bingo...the need is fulfilled.
-You need a gentle preacher telling you of the glorious promises and gifts from God and how adored you are...
Bingo, the void is filled with a 'positive' preacher.
-You need common sense on how to live this life...no positives or scary negatives...just grassroots smart guidance?
Bingo, the preacher is there for you.
Where there is a need, like water, the hole get filled.
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Prepare yourself for the coming astral journey of death by daily riding in the balloon of God-perception.
Through delusion you are perceiving yourself as a bundle of flesh and bones, which at best is a nest of troubles.
Meditate unceasingly, that you may quickly behold yourself as the Infinite Essence, free from every form of misery. ~Paramahansa's Guru's Guru.
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21-12-2018, 06:44 AM
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Master
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Location: Brooklyn, New York
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Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn
Ha...and where there is a need ...the teacher will come.
Each Master was absolute perfection for what was needed.
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-You need to have a fire and brimstone preacher screaming from
a pulpit threatening you about hell to snap you out of living
a life of crime?
Bingo...the need is fulfilled.
-You need a gentle preacher telling you of the glorious promises and gifts from God and how adored you are...
Bingo, the void is filled with a 'positive' preacher.
-You need common sense on how to live this life...no positives or scary negatives...just grassroots smart guidance?
Bingo, the preacher is there for you.
Where there is a need, like water, the hole get filled.
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One will indeed be drawn to the path best suited to one's spiritual development in any given moment. As you duly pointed out, even the "fire and brimstone" preacher can be of value at a given point in time. However, as you also pointed out, no "scary negatives". Think about that.
In the east, they talk about ignorance and enlightenment. Many western beliefs focus on sin and punishment (the "fire and brimstone" preacher). Choose what suits you best. My decision should be obvious, but what works for me might not work for another. Choose what suits you best BUT judiciously avoid imposing that negativity and fear on others.
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