In terms of the spiritual path is anyone ever really "complete?"

[lemex]

Originally Posted by FallingLeaves

I will be treated as if I have chosen... which usually means a lot of trouble for me ...

So true. But why should one not be if that is what is chosen. One must see and experience the (specific) choice. We create our own if realities to. One question to ask is, is there spirit(ual) reality. If there is no choice made? What if it were a final choice and not if? I enjoyed what you shared but probably didn't understand! I was thinking it more about the choice(s) we do not want to make but know otherwise.

[Gem]

It's like a forest. Something is always germinating and something else is dying. The forest as a whole is complete, but not in any particular way.

[Redchic12]

Excellent point Gem!

Also agree with NativeS.

[Bluto]

Originally Posted by Gem

It's like a forest. Something is always germinating and something else is dying.
The forest as a whole is complete, but not in any particular way.

Pure poetry

[FallingLeaves]

Originally Posted by lemex

So true. But why should one not be if that is what is chosen.

I kinda got off topic with that comment, I was moreat just trying to say, when I put the capstone on a pyramid it is complete and no further change is necessary or desired. The purpose of the pyrmaid (whatever that actually was) is found by it remaining neverendingly the same once it is built.

I think that is essentially what I do when I reach perfection in any of the forms I assumed I should desired it... at that point im perfect and what is the point in allowing change? Wouldn't any change in my state then take me out of the 'perfect' state? In asking for perfection aren't I really asking for neverending unchangingness?

But after i put the capstone on my perfection, I'm kinda done aren't I? I mean how am I gonna top that?

It is kind of like a way to die (spiritually) it seems like to me...

So I define 'life' as the ability to change/grow/be different from before rather than as the ability to remain in permanent sameness even with the presence of changing form. And so I don't much like putting capstones on pyramids.

My definition of completeness then relies on not becoming complete the way i've assumed I have to view such things, not asking to remain the same, not trying to become 'perfect' in the way I felt I had to try to obtain perfection, not finishing whatever it is I think I might have started....

So tyring to be spiritually complete, in the way I have gathered others think is appropriate, is not for me. I don't much think it is a good idea...

Well i hope that clarified a little bit...

[lovetruth]

I agree with Charly 233.

After we have completed our journey on Earth we move into a higher wisdom and either come back to Earth to help others in a more profound existence, such as the saints and helpers that are always on the earth to uplift humanity. Eventually we may become a planet and experience from a whole different perspective. It appears to be a never ending progression to the greater levels of abundant life. So we could eventually be planets, solar systems, universes all toward greater humility and unconditional love. We are infinite and unlimited.

[Goldcup7]

Originally Posted by lovetruth

So we could eventually be planets, solar systems, universes all toward greater humility and unconditional love. We are infinite and unlimited.

I wonder who is this 'we' or 'I' that we talk about? If I can be a human, a planet, or an entire solar system, who am I?

I agree that we are infinite and unlimited, but that means we cannot be defined or divided, so we are never really the human, the planet, or the universe. There is only what is, perfect and complete.

[lovetruth]

Originally Posted by Goldcup7

I wonder who is this 'we' or 'I' that we talk about? If I can be a human, a planet, or an entire solar system, who am I?

I agree that we are infinite and unlimited, but that means we cannot be defined or divided, so we are never really the human, the planet, or the universe. There is only what is, perfect and complete.

Words cannot really convey what we mean as far as the spiritual. It does seem limiting to what we attempt to share. We have just forgotten for a short place in time, we are the infinite and there are no boundaries. I know we will see things so differently once we are out of these bodies...looking forward to that.