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Originally Posted by ImthatIm
Your two mind-sets picture reminded me where my thinking was at.
I had heard it told that the pilgrims were taught how to farm/cultivate
by using Native agriculture, especially the Three sisters system.
Corn/Squash/Beans.
So a hunter gather society teaching an agricultural/industrial society to survive by farming.
What?
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Sorry
ImthatIm for the late reply. Have been having a lot on my plate to deal with of late.
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I know I am terribly biased in my mind-set.
But then again being over 80% (82-86%) hunter-gatherer still ... genetically – well, what can one expect. ….
There were no massacres as far as I am aware of when the
Near Eastern agriculturalists came to Europe, it just meant the loss of wildlife habitat, the big game to hunt plus the large predators, so the hunter-gatherers moved further and further up North until we ended up near or in the Arctic Circle.
What you were describing there
ImthatIm (I trust) was the situation like in Lithuania. Agriculture was adopted, but with the hunter-gatherer worldview values (though I don’t think Lithuanians were ‘shamanic’ … as they lack Siberian ancestry and influence).
What
Oren Lyons said at the end of his long video about ‘planting ceremony’ and the
“Leader of the Fruit” made me smile.
The way the white reindeer is a manifestation of the reindeer deity, people growing turnips had a turnip deity.
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Äkräs was the god of fertility in Karelian mythology. He was also the god of turnip and the protector of beans, peas, cabbage, flax, and hemp. When the turnip took a form like a 'Siamese twin' it was Holy.
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Originally Posted by ImthatIm
So me thinks to just separate the two is not so simple.
Me thinks the mind sets are:
1. Receiving in Thanksgiving from Earth/Grandmother living in balance with Her.(Ours)Mitakuye Oyasin
2. Taking from Earth/dirt as a consumer and conqueror, seeing the Earth as something to subdue.(Mine) My God given right to Takeey and conquer in the Name of the Lord. Foolishness.
P.S. And the Bear probably taught the three sister method to the people.
Bear is the Chief teacher of the Plants and Herbal Medicines. eh?
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Of course there is always overlap but still, I see those 3 - the hunter-gatherer, the agriculturalists and the steppe-pastoralists as having distinctly different worldviews.
Hunter gatherer mind-set is as though still living
in the womb of creation i.e.
nondual state (and the spirituality that goes with it).
Agriculturalist start ‘ordering the landscape’ in dual terms i.e. they had a ‘fall from nonduality’ … have Pegan priests whatnot …
Animal herders … at least if one herded camels, one would not lose one's sense of humour …
I guess this is why ‘Indo-Europeans’ love the Injun warrior on horse stereotype, the Comanche image and hate Genghis Khan who came a bit too close for comfort.
(Well, I don’t understand this kind of - what I see as a
double standard).
Nor do I understand this
selective blindness as Vikings here are not mentioned:
https://www.newscientist.com/article...n-ancient-dna/
I remember enjoying Joseph Campbells talks, so I dug one up again, who can describe this herder mentality better:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwPh4dHDmx0
Trying to keep links to minimum. Sorry
Native Spirit.
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