Surrender: What does it mean to your spiritual journey?

[Ziusudra]

Originally Posted by Unseeking Seeker

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All said and done, a thought provoking contemplation: here’s more from the poetry section reproduced ...

Can we say that surrendering is an absence of fearing since the fearing mirrors desiring and clinging, the clinging making consciousness contracting & stagnating as opposed to just being, free flowing, embracing, imbibing and becoming, divine love enabled, our presence receptive & stable?

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Can we say that surrendering is an orientation of pattern breaking, consciousness awakening, preferring choosing to be moving in unfamiliar terrain by unresistingly so trustingly allowing, prioritising and so experiencing unfoldings surprising rather than reinforcing comforting narrow repetitious egoic beats of senility that deplete our be-ability?

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Can we say that when we talk about surrendering it may mean egoic traits only partly renouncing or let us disassociating with us having one foot in the boat of singularity and the other in duality, knowing yet hesitating to go the full distance in removing blockages offering resistance and if that be so, we should know that any chain is only as strong as its weakest link, our wilful choice of fleeting fragility inevitably making us sink?

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Yes
Yes
Yes we can say

[Ziusudra]

Originally Posted by Heatherkey

I dont really relate intellectual knowledge to awareness. In my eyes, awareness has no knowledge to it - it it is a sense of knowing, rather than the knowledge of something. I would go so far as to say that percieved knowledge of what is, can get in the way of awareness. And so, I dont believe that spiritual enlightenment is anything but a fleeting glance between one moment and the next.

I can only really explain my understanding od surrender in real life terms - Despite being aware of the path I must take, I would still feel fear and desire, surrender is to take the path of awareness despite those feelings - it is to let the awareness become stronger than me.

Hm. Interesting perspective.
To some, it is a natural awareness.
But for most, those awareness has to be verified and justified to be accepted as their own.
So intellectual interpretation is needed.
Human mind also seek consensus from others.
Hence the written words of wisdoms from all different spritual areas/teachings.

[Heatherkey]

Originally Posted by Ziusudra

Hm. Interesting perspective.
To some, it is a natural awareness.
But for most, those awareness has to be verified and justified to be accepted as their own.
So intellectual interpretation is needed.
Human mind also seek consensus from others.
Hence the written words of wisdoms from all different spritual areas/teachings.

Why is this?

[Ziusudra]

Originally Posted by Heatherkey

Why is this?

I suppose..... it is because we are human and we have to be spiritually reawakened again in each incarnation.

[Ziusudra]

,,,,,,,,duo dup

[Ziusudra]

I have realized that spiritual enlightenment is not a permanent state but it is a collective moments of consciousness based on our own spiritual awareness.

We have to constantly thrive to be in that enlightenment moments by overcoming ourselves and by reminding ourselves of our spiritual awareness.

Not easy, as we want to hold onto ourselves as humans and we feel deceived when those moments are lost.
We also feel disappointed when those 'supposedly spiritually enlightened' ones lose their moments.
We forget that we have to find ourselves to those moments again and again.

So, I believe that 'surrendering to ourselves' is a key in each of those moments when we have to find ourselves to the enlightenment state.

This means that Surrender is also not a permanent state, but a collective moments.

What do you think?

[iamthat]

Originally Posted by Ziusudra

I have realized that spiritual enlightenment is not a permanent state but it is a collective moments of consciousness based on our own spiritual awareness.

We have to constantly thrive to be in that enlightenment moments by overcoming ourselves and by reminding ourselves of our spiritual awareness.

Not easy, as we want to hold onto ourselves as humans and we feel deceived when those moments are lost.
We also feel disappointed when those 'supposedly spiritually enlightened' ones lose their moments.
We forget that we have to find ourselves to those moments again and again.

So, I believe that 'surrendering to ourselves' is a key in each of those moments when we have to find ourselves to the enlightenment state.

This means that Surrender is also not a permanent state, but a collective moments.

What do you think?

I would disagree. Spiritual enlightenment is an unchanging state of Being which is always present, regardless of what might be happening on a mental, emotional or physical level.

Consciousness does have the choice in each moment of resting in the stillness of formlessness or going "outwards" into the movement of form.

Peace.

[Ziusudra]

Originally Posted by iamthat

I would disagree. Spiritual enlightenment is an unchanging state of Being which is always present, regardless of what might be happening on a mental, emotional or physical level.

Consciousness does have the choice in each moment of resting in the stillness of formlessness or going "outwards" into the movement of form.

Peace.

That may be true for few. And you may be that few.
But majority succumb to being human (that is ok, after all, we are incarnated as humans to experience being humans).

Even for those few with spiritual enlightenment in a permanent state, its state still changes because everything changes including themselves.
Those permanent state is nothing more than prolonged temporary moment.

Originally Posted by JustBe

surrender - letting go of control.
Letting everything that arises within to be experienced as your process requires. Surrender in this case, no longer containing your unfolding, surrendering in trust of what is to come. Living more open and aware to what is.
The body is a remarkable machine, it knows what doesn’t belong, it knows what is right for itself. If you can’t let go, surrender the reins and trust deeply, you will continue to control those parts your not willing to surrender, so you block the otential of flow. Chop wood carry water. Chop wood carry water. Life’s more interesting if you trust yourself and your life.

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I'm curious, JustBe, how do you handle stress.

Originally Posted by Ziusudra

That may be true for few. And you may be that few.
But majority succumb to being human (that is ok, after all, we are incarnated as humans to experience being humans).

Even for those few with spiritual enlightenment in a permanent state, its state still changes because everything changes including themselves.
Those permanent state is nothing more than prolonged temporary moment.

True enlightenment and Awakening is not temporary.

Temporal awakening may give the Seeker a "taste" - but there is that which is eminently eternal. Were it not so, why would the Masters bother to teach?

Those people who say "Oh! It's not real! Oh! It couldn't be!"

Have they tried?

The unchanging is the place of Enlightenment, so to speak and that is why it is eternal...

At least this is my limited knowledge.

JL