Saving God's / 'our churches' - and getting them busy again.

[Gem]

It's going to be great - we'll do everything except establish the moral foundations, and because we don't want to maintain the boundaries of what is and isn't acceptable to the institution, we can instead say 'it's not a church problem, it's a people problem'.

The idea that the church has to accept all nature of degenerate because it's inclusive of everyone is fake. The criteria is not inclusive at all, but exclusively dependent on accepting Jesus as saviour or whatever the rote of the sect is. The church prioritises that sectarian belief over any universal foundation.

People are much more sophisticated than were in the past and they have more options for spirituality, but the Church could still survive if those options are even worse.

Originally Posted by Gem

The idea that the church has to accept all nature of degenerate because it's inclusive of everyone is fake. The criteria is not inclusive at all, but exclusively dependent on accepting Jesus as saviour or whatever the rote of the sect is. The church prioritises that sectarian belief over any universal foundation.

People are much more sophisticated than were in the past and they have more options for spirituality, but the Church could still survive if those options are even worse.

Gem,

Thanks for the breath of fresh air.

[one-light]

And now I know what the 20-20 as I wrote on the crow thread today meant - important times, message here...

Not my type of service Mothering Sunday good meditation, could have nodded off - got some flowers though... Congregation was low, but we see what weeks ahead show - our congregation is 80 / 90 % 70 / 80 years - might need the Church Regeneration, Project, I wrote about it here on SF's when I started it in 2021 - the Holy Spirit gave me the name one early morning 'knowing' it was meant for our church - it sits there with 380 members, many locals, but they don't come to church yet.

I remember emailing Elders in 2021 regarding this, we're not on FB they say - well decision time, we wait to see if improved services attract people in - if not its ageing members getting 'their children involved' - connecting to town people...

And you can do this church people - get your next generation to get together; set a FB group up.

So in the meantime - this Spiritual Flu was trying have a go 1 hour before church today - I was busy 'messing / messaging' - when I was supposed to be preparing 'to see' what was going on - and to message here on this powerful forum, which again 'will make a difference' on our planet - takes time.

When did you last hear about Spiritual Flu in church, or that God / Angels / Guides can send you dreams - that'll be never in most / all churches.

The EHS Exploding Head Syndrome as science calls it, they've not a clue - I messaged on here a couple of years back 'sonic boom' I called it - like a boom in the head, heavy training for me back then - and reoccurring dreams, even songs can be sent - then the Spiritual flu - 2 months clear now... So much information online, much incorrect - it's all a message to 'slow down' - calm the mind / gut feeling guidance 'or' you're on the wrong path - change of direction required.

So any people here 'who know' how spirit - guides / connects - interested in sharing knowledge / links? What do we know about this happening - and double numbers appearing etc - that's never discussed in churches, and why not??

Much talk of 2000 years ago in churches, as it should be - but more of 'now' and what we know... Something has to change, stop churches closing - and it starts here, if our SF's regulars will give guidance regarding what I call God's Mysterious Ways.... Just share a bit of knowledge with us anyone 'simple to understand stuff' as and when...

[one-light]

Just 5 mins meditation for me - good sleep last night... The blue energy from the Holy spirit with the mist going through and up 'gorgeous' almost as soon as closing my eyes just, never seen the blue from Him come so fast - approval / on path... Works so well the short meditation early afternoon / mind clear for me...

So you may think - 380 member he has, but people don't come - it has to be local - the Church Project group was meant to be local, but it's worldwide now - with so little support.

What it needs is our local people to join, share messages, maybe short videos of the service - interesting / entertaining / some laughter - they all know about the preaching / teaching - its the other stuff 'that attracts' the smiles... And you can do this in your town's...

I wrote town's like so - because you get it right, people will travel from a nearby town - once this starts to work in many churches - that's when we're on the move, when word gets out 'its good in there' - then it works big style.

And that's where you people here can help if you want to - links / messages / ideas of something different, as well as advice on double numbers / dreams / crows appearing etc... Anything that could be of interest in churches - have a good day / evening lovely people...

[BigJohn]

Some people believe that in 'the Last Days", there will be a great influx to the Churches. Time will tell.

Drove by some Churches and the parking lots were filled. The people outside were happy.

[one-light]

Yes they'd all head there - it's surprising how many don't believe until something serious happens... I was thinking this morning, some religions believe in Higher Self - but vast majority of Christians generally don't, i've seen Spirit Guides and my Higher Self, looks similar to me - so what do we do in church 'ignore' when most here on SF's know our Higher Self the vastly intelligent part of us is out there, probably too dangerous down here - got to be strong here...

[one-light]

Here's where it should get going here, more people speaking up - this morning a lot of gentle roar, tinnitus up 7'sh as I've explained on this thread before, it's when seeds of information / guidance are planted 'for me to share with others' before the up - and I'm thinking God what's this all about.

And just, having a third of a skinny cig in the greenhouse with my coffee - and it all became clear - to write here...

I did talks in a Unitarian church last June - I was struggling with that flu I mentioned here, and this service I went to do just 5 mins, lady said you're doing all 30 mins - I had enough info / content... Just 6 people in this little chapel.

Somewhere along the way amongst snivelling I went wrong - said something wrong to them - never got asked back, must have been something they didn't agree with / training for me though... But I did have a print I had prepared on 'Jesus Calms the Storm' - I had got it online - but I tweaked it so it read well... Man who read it in between my 3 sections in between hymns seemed to approve of how I'd written it.

And I'll just mention again - the Unitarian hymns seem so good and just a bit shorter...

When church members do a 4/5 mins talk like this, something of the past - when you hear them read it, I'm thinking 'it's boring how they say it' / sometimes repetitive - and this is where I'm trying not to upset people here, but it has to be said - not to change what happened / or what reading means - but just fine tune it.

Spend half an hour if you are asked - to put it 'in big letters' so you can see it on half or full A4 sheet - so it's inspiring to people, because there's some great stories of long ago, just make sure they read well - any examples anyone, specialists here when something doesn't read right, that could be improved 2000 years on.

So, it's in big letters 'and you can see it' - inspiring stories spoken 'with a smile' - God gave us all a smile, use it / with energy / meaning - so, smiling, looking / glancing at people as reading...

Originally Posted by one-light

Yes they'd all head there - it's surprising how many don't believe until something serious happens...

Well, no not me. I used to go to a church, and that's there that something serious happened, and now that I have a mighty hard time to believe. Back there, they were all about appearances. They still are honestly. And pride. I wanted to believe in love, all they were about was having things their own way. As in, love is like this, not like that. It should only be given to the ones that adhere to our beliefs, we are the right ones etc. At first, they sometimes "discuss" this with me, as if I had done something wrong. Then, very quickly it appeared obvious that they all went to town on me behind my back.

Don't get me wrong, I had my own shortcomings. I thought my way was the good way too, be patient and loving, eventually their anger would stop. I wanted them to see it the way I did, but it was also okay to me if it wasn't the case. I was naive like a little boy.

When I arrived at that church, I thought that was it! As in, not having found Heaven, but rather my path to get there. In a way, I wasn't so wrong, though not so sure.

Then, quickly, their anger turned into raw, undiluted hatred. Because they were afraid of the idea. So, now.. I'm less naive and past the idea of fair or unfair, we all get it one way or another. I got excluded, publicly defamated, insulted, mocked, and so on. Harassed too. Really now... The authorities did not care, they were "warned of my false beliefs and destructive intentions", and they did not care I had proofs of what I said. In fact, I was the one who ended up being in trouble. Yeah, maybe I was destructive to them I guess, wanting to try and better things. I had to leave for another country. And even then, they wanted me to see what they were up to... Insanity and I danced together a few times.

Then, after around 3 years of that, I was pushed inwards to work out my shortcomings, for example just because you are trying your hardest to be humble and loving and accept that others may not see it your way, doesn't mean they'll do the same for you. I wished for so long, that they would stop their ill, deranged ways of having to destroy anything, anyone, in that case me, that challenges their beliefs. Fear is so little of an excuse, it does not sit well with me. I have known fear in my life too, yet I did not bash anyone with it. When I think of myself back then, I really was full of good intentions, but it wasn't enough, I didn't know how to make happen what I wanted to see. With time, I gave up on having good intentions except for myself.

And then, guess what... Now, now they're "there". Not necessarily seeing it the same way I do/used to, but they want forgiveness. It's odd, I never thought "I may have done something wrong that made that person upset, I'm gonna ask them for forgiveness". You know, instead of "I apologize". They keep inviting me back, and everytime, I remember how much that church and the people there meant to me. So, I forgave them, but forget? Who in their right mind would forget of such desecration? Just because they were afraid? What's going to happen next time I go to that church and be myself, get banned again? Viciously attacked? The crazy part is, they want forgiveness, and to never, ever talk again about what happened. Because if I voice out my pain, my story, it cause them pain. They want forgiveness, not out of humility, but because the weight on their shoulders, they placed themselves, is too much to bear. And it is my responsibility to help lift it away for them? Nope. I took responsibility for myself.

The thing is, I'm not one to play around in the mud, I was clear on it with myself, "If I ever go back to that church, it's for brighter days and not reliving the past". I was on the threshold and overheard some talk about talking together of all the things that happened, exchange point of views etc. Then, one said the thing that made me turn heels. No one brings up what happened, we will never discuss that again. So, this isn't a sincere gesture after all I guess. I felt, and still feel silenced. They haven't changed their ways, it just guilt that has set in. And by their ways, once again I do not necessarily mean adhering to my ways, but not trying to brush under the rug anything that challenges them. If the past is truly the past, then why the need to pretend it never happened? It only makes people weak. It's not growing.

I know not all churches are like that. And I think I am crazy for still thinking of going back to that church, I feel called to it. Yet, I am very guarded. Sometimes, I receive a fruit basket. I think it's cute for a second, then remember how these people treated me like a toilet bowl, and that's all I see the basket as.

Not that I am trying to ruin your efforts one-light, but maybe some, if not a lot, have reasons as to why they do not go there anymore. I am one of them. I go on the threshold sometimes, still miss the interior, the benches.. Also, I'm sorry for the long post. I guess I really needed to "open the window" 'cause that air has been heavy for a long time.

I do not think I could ever commit to a church again.

[BigJohn]

If a person speaks about what Jesus did: there should not be any problems.

For example, Jesus healed people and he said we could do the same and more. What was he talking about? Eventually 'healings' become acceptable.

From there...... the doors become open and other ideas can be received.
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I have been asked to do sermons based just upon this technique.

[Miss Hepburn]

Originally Posted by BigJohn

...sermons based just upon this technique.

...Could you explain what technique you are talking about? Thanks.