THE ONE FROM WHOM NOUGHT CAN BE SAID.

[Goldcup7]

Yes, the sum total of everything is nothing. The world appears by the use of opposites in apparent separation. But the sum total is always zero or nothing. Not a lifeless Nothing, but a full complete Nothing.

[Miss Hepburn]

Hi Goldcup :)---my thinking is -yes...Nothing.... but a single Awareness...in Nothingness...
or maybe the words are One Pure Consciousness.
But that's as far as I go. Nothing with no Awareness or Divine Mind or Consciousness? Hmm.

[Michael K.]

I had a direct experience about forty five years ago that this whole universe
had been born aloft within the mind of Absolute Intelligence, had be born
been expressed and withdrawn back into the ALL within a BLINK of its EYE
and that we will have to evolve over billions of centuries to catch up to what
finished aeons ago. LIFE is in the slow lane. This universe ended aeons ago
but in the slow lane it still "SEEMS" to be there.

Within Absolute Intelligence there is zero consciousness, zero awareness
what could it be possibly be AWARE OF???? IT IS ALL, there is NOTHING
PRESENT JUST that unknowable ISNESSLESS.

blessings michael.

[Goldcup7]

Originally Posted by Michael K.

... we will have to evolve over billions of centuries to catch up to what finished aeons ago. LIFE is in the slow lane. This universe ended aeons ago but in the slow lane it still "SEEMS" to be there.

Within Absolute Intelligence there is zero consciousness, zero awareness
what could it be possibly be AWARE OF???? IT IS ALL, there is NOTHING
PRESENT JUST that unknowable ISNESSLESS.

I see it similarly. Imo the world unfurls and closes like a flower, opening outwards then curling back in again. But throughout this going out and returning, God/Absolute Intelligence remains unchanging and all-pervading. It only seems that the world flows out from God and returns to God. God is beyond time and space, so encompasses all space and time.

My feeling is that God is consciousness and is self aware by nature. Aware in the sense of knowing intelligence. Truly imo there is only ever God knowing God. Whether God is in the unmanifest seed state (Nothing) or in the manifest world state (Everything), it's all God. There is only God, however things seem to appear. The unfolding world imo is God exploring expressions of Himself/Itself/Ourself within God.

[Michael K.]

Blessings Goldcup for your insightful and uplifting words, IS AM is all there IS?

regards michael

[Goldcup7]

Not sure I can truly say I Am is all there is.

It seems more accurate to say What Is is all there is. There comes a point when the words are not good enough. Intelligent Aware Being is all there is. The 'I' sense rises within but is not essential in my opinion.

This is a tough one for human understanding, but Being is without identity.

[J_A_S_G]

Originally Posted by Goldcup7

The 'I' sense rises within but is not essential in my opinion.

It's That which knows 'I', 'I Am' and all that follows.

We tend to get hung up on the words and it's all just thinking which is also known by That. Thinking, including 'I' and 'I Am', is no more or less a thing/object than a brick so yeah, it's not essential. Not intrinsic. Not the unchanging Infinite.

[Goldcup7]

Thanks, JASG. That's it. It's That.

[Michael K.]

Knowing nothing given access to all, I experienced this truth 50 years ago
when I fell to the floor and asked for help for my incurable illness when I had
three months live, a great voice within said "WHAT DO YOU KNOW!" I called out NOTHING, and with the admission of my chronic ignorance I gained access
to ALL.

Knowing without learning. wisdom uncovered from within SELF. becoming a
point within no-where.

That which "IS" KNOWS NOTHING" Knowing nothing is SELF realizing IS.
It is I guess an impossibility to say anything, how could we imagine, zero
universe, zero energy, zero light-zero darkness, zero consciousness, zero
awareness, zero VOID, zero life, zero existence, zero things and thing. JUST
AM in IS.
blessings michael.

[Maisy]

Originally Posted by Michael K.

Within Absolute Intelligence there is zero consciousness, zero awareness - what could it be possibly be AWARE OF???? IT IS ALL,

I think that's the idea the observer is what it is observing right? Or that me and that is really the same thing. That there is only one thing.

Seems to me it is an observable fact that things change. If things are changing it can't all be one. Something is causing the change. A ball can't roll without a force being exerted on it. I can throw a ball up or down. It also seems to me if choice exists, all can't be one. If I can throw a ball up or down, seems to me that means I am not the ball. I am choosing what the ball does. The ball has no say in it. Well plus a ball is not conscious or aware. I think there's a difference between the content of awareness, what it is aware of, and consciousness itself. Me and the internal and external content I experience.