Why does GOD exist?

[Ziusudra]

Originally Posted by JustBe

When you disagree with such certainty, you just think you know. Your designing all this..
Without the mind involved, your knowing becomes something else entirely.

I disagree because of my own assumptions based on observation and scientific discoveries.

Nothing is "always been".

Everything around us including ourselves, our planet, and our own universe have been changing, and continue to evolve.
From the big bang to new species...
There is not anything that does not change, even a rock becomes a sand in time and wear.

[JustBe]

Originally Posted by Ziusudra

I disagree because of my own assumptions based on observation and scientific discoveries.

Nothing is "always been".

Everything around us including ourselves, our planet, and our own universe have been changing, and continue to evolve.
From the big bang to new species...
There is not anything that does not change, even a rock becomes a sand in time and wear.

What about creation itself? The source of all this changing, evolving views you see?

[Ziusudra]

Originally Posted by JustBe

What about creation itself? The source of all this changing, evolving views you see?

We can safely assume: For the same concept, (everything changes in this universe) the source must change as well, just like all its creations.

Sources may die and have their ends.. this may be the very reason why they create their successors to continue to create. Interesting thought. When nothing is permanent.
Only time is eternal or is it?

[iamthat]

Originally Posted by Ziusudra

We can safely assume: For the same concept, (everything changes in this universe) the source must change as well, just like all its creations.

Sources may die and have their ends.. this may be the very reason why they create their successors to continue to create. Interesting thought. When nothing is permanent.
Only time is eternal or is it?

There is One unchanging indivisible Reality which, though unmanifest, reveals Itself in infinite multiplicity and diversity. (Anandamayi Ma)

You cannot be conscious of what does not change. All consciousness is consciousness of change. But the very perception of change - does it not necessitate a changeless background? (Nisargadatta)

Or to put it another way, that which changes is not real, that which is real does not change.

Peace.

[Ziusudra]

Originally Posted by iamthat

There is One unchanging indivisible Reality which, though unmanifest, reveals Itself in infinite multiplicity and diversity. (Anandamayi Ma)

You cannot be conscious of what does not change. All consciousness is consciousness of change. But the very perception of change - does it not necessitate a changeless background? (Nisargadatta)

Or to put it another way, that which changes is not real, that which is real does not change.

Peace.

Well.. they (those wise writers) were looking at the aspects of this universe that have not been changing as rapidly.
So to their minds and eyes, it seems unchanged.
Being humans, the idea of nothing is permanent including this very ground that we are on (earth) is unsettling.
Just like any religious beliefs (trying find some kind of comfort at this harsh realities), they want to believe on some permanence to hold on to.

For an example, our earth orbits Sun.
It has been orbiting as far as we know.
But it has not always been this case.
Our own galaxy was formed at some point, just like our universe was formed.
Then, our Sun (star) was formed (estimated 4.603 billion years) and at some point our earth started orbiting it.
We know this for fact.
We also know that stars die as we have observed in our own universe so the life cycle as we know will eventually cease to exist.
We will be able to calculate the time frame in the future.

I strongly believe that our own souls evolve as they learn and adopt to ever changing universe. Hence the reason for reincarnations.

Originally Posted by Ziusudra

This is not a debate of whether or not GOD exists.
In this question, we assume the GOD exists.
The questions is:

Why does GOD exist?
(Whatever your GOD or GODs may be).

Wisdom based on assumption is not wisdom at all, and it's still the wrong question. If the assumption is that God exists the question is "What agenda do we have in assuming God exists, what narrative are we buying into?"

[JustBe]

Originally Posted by Ziusudra

We can safely assume: For the same concept, (everything changes in this universe) the source must change as well, just like all its creations.

Sources may die and have their ends.. this may be the very reason why they create their successors to continue to create. Interesting thought. When nothing is permanent.
Only time is eternal or is it?

If source is an ever changing creation as a whole host of life, then source is everything as a whole. In this view, it is not one thing on its own, it’s a interconnected ‘one’ that has both life and death, change and renewal continuously being created ongoing as life. So successors in your view are what?

In the understanding of ‘no time’ where everything is occurring through a simultaneous movement of life as one creation, then creation itself, would have no beginning or end. In this view, Life is eternal, time becomes a man made construct.

[lemex]

Originally Posted by JustBe

So successors in your view are what?

I think this question touches on the idea of God being perfect. Many think God is. I personally do not see God, based on what I am (was) told, as being that out of (all) infinite possible differences, especially if there is a multiverse, how each would be different. If God is not perfect then it must have a way to change. It like us would want to. The successors would be how change occurs, reincarnation, learning, and karma.

[JustBe]

Originally Posted by lemex

I think this question touches on the idea of God being perfect. Many think God is. I personally do not see God, based on what I am (was) told, as being that out of (all) infinite possible differences, especially if there is a multiverse, how each would be different. If God is not perfect then it must have a way to change. It like us would want to. The successors would be how change occurs, reincarnation, learning, and karma.

I think if you look through the true nature of all life, being itself as it only knows to be, then those differences and sameness are linked through the whole symmetry and synchronicity that affects as one. As unique pieces, as a whole, everything is created through itself and the whole as one source. We do affect change as humans individually and together as one source. Through our perception of ‘life/ourselves’ not being complete, it becomes difficult then, to consider this perfect infinite life movement that is perfect. Perfect as things are, change is constant, so without labels and more direct seeing, we can see life as it is. Hence it just is for now, this moment and only as we know right now in this moment. We have an understanding of the workings and dynamics of life, yet the moment we make it be something fixed and solid, we look for certainty and beginnings. If something ends, we seek to understand and find answers as to why. If something new begins, we ask why the old has changed. As the witness to the present state of awareness for ourselves and life, we only really have to remain open to change and what life seeks of us. Our inability to accept the ever changing face of life is often our deepest point of surrender to our being state. Our true nature, that moves aware, observing and creating life through that image, that understands the impermanent nature of all life. No beginning, no end, just what is. Within all this are many mysteries, that are both solvable and unsolvable, so the ongoing mystery exists as the unknown continuously...

We can create god through our own image. We can create god through his image which is our own or that of others created in us. We can create through the view of what just is, before us, as it is. Therin lays, the infinite face of source, that is ever changing. The ‘no name’ ‘no self’ ‘no attachment’ to the nature of what I only know in this moment..what ‘I am’ and what is ,an ever changing face ( impermenant nature) of life and creation.

[Ziusudra]

Originally Posted by JustBe

So successors in your view are what?
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Other creators, including humanity. Aren't we creators ourselves? Yes we are and yes we have been.