Why does GOD exist?

[Shivani Devi]

Originally Posted by Ziusudra

Very interesting responses...

Majority seems to saying... We, humans created GOD or GODs to our image to suite our human needs. Hm...
So, this becomes chicken and egg debate.

So, we shall indulge in the "chicken vs egg" dichotomy.

When we speak of God, we are speaking about pure, unfiltered, direct perception.

We did not "create God" but what we are creating, is the concept OF God and there is a big difference there.

Human perception creates labels and the concept of linear time and in such regards (and it has been scientifically proven), both chicken and egg existed simultaneously.

It is also an existential paradox, based on a purely intellectual synopsis, but what's not to say that God is existent and non existent simultaneously? More along the lines of Schroedinger's Cat?

I could go into Hindu philosophy and discuss the nature of Purusha and Prakriti, but I will spare you that....instead, I will quote Aldous Huxley..

https://goo.gl/images/TLVtWQ

[iamthat]

Originally Posted by Shivani Devi

I could go into Hindu philosophy and discuss the nature of Purusha and Prakriti, but I will spare you that....]

Indeed, we could discuss how the Absolute manifests as Purusha (Spirit) and Prakriti (Matter), although some might use the term Mulaprakriti (Primordial Matter). This gives rise to consciousness and the various planes of Arupa (formlessness) and Rupa (form).

But all this is an explanation of how Creation comes into manifestation. It does not explain why Creation exists, let alone why a Creator might exist.

Peace.

[Moonglow]

Hello,

Just placing a general inquiry.

Could it be, the reason for God or anything to exist is that one experiences it in existence?

Meaning, how it may be felt, observed, thought to be, ect., all seems to blend and form an existence of some kind. Why, seems to vary in answering or asking another, IMO. Yet, there is an existence there just the same, yes?

Reason and/purpose seem to form in regards to what is experienced and how these are related to or not.

It is interesting to see the different view points and all seem to form reason(s) for its existence. But, what one finds for oneself, with in oneself seems to give the clues and possibly for some the answer at present.

Atleast, this is how it seems to me.

There seems no right or wrong answer in general. Only perspective and insights
And what seems to me ones own experience which suppose give reason to existence in some ways.

[Shivani Devi]

Originally Posted by iamthat

Indeed, we could discuss how the Absolute manifests as Purusha (Spirit) and Prakriti (Matter), although some might use the term Mulaprakriti (Primordial Matter). This gives rise to consciousness and the various planes of Arupa (formlessness) and Rupa (form).

But all this is an explanation of how Creation comes into manifestation. It does not explain why Creation exists, let alone why a Creator might exist.

Peace.

Let's hypothesise for a moment...let's say that Shiva (Consciousness) did not create anything except for Shakti (Maya) and then Maya created everything - would the creator of Maya be the one who also created the universe? Does Nirguna/Nirupa Brahman give rise to Saguna Brahman or does non duality truly exist beyond duality?

As to why God exists, only God knows that. We all could speculate...and we'd all be wrong.

[wstein]

Originally Posted by Ziusudra

Very interesting responses...

Majority seems to saying... We, humans created GOD or GODs to our image to suite our human needs. Hm...
So, this becomes chicken and egg debate.

So then "We, humans" are the GODs referred to.

I usually phrase the question in this way: Set aside for the moment what exists or if anything actually exists, how is it possible that anything can exist? Shouldn't 'nothing' have remained thus?

No answer here because clearly there is no way to boot strap the ceasing of nothing.

Note that I do not consider "it always existed" as a valid answer as it does not answer how it is possible.

[Shivani Devi]

This is going to be very difficult for me to articulate so as to be understood.

I don't have any personal issue with the realisation that "God has always been" in much the same way as what existed before the Big Bang in order to bring the whole universe into being? How is that even possible?

According to Quantum Physics, there is no such thing as "nothing":

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/bigt...05311.amp.html

...and even if there were such a thing as "nothing" it would need to be contrasted with "something" to make "nothing" and "something" even possible...wherein lies the whole duality of existence.

Even the term "non dual" requires what is "dual" for the whole distinction to be made, which is dual in and of itself.

Suffice to say, the human mind is capable of infinite contortions and associations with "being"...even those who say "I am God" because there is always that little bit of "legroom" left for me to innocently ask "what is the 'you' that is 'God'?

It is also said that the whole of existence is God just looking in a mirror, trying to make sense of what it sees...and I can understand that, but my ego wonders why God would need a mirror to look at in the first place?

To get beyond any line of deductive reasoning, the mind and all thought must be totally dropped and this is just way too much of an ask for any rational human being who lives and exists within their own mental sphere of trying to "understand" what God is, because that's a fool's errand.

[inavalan]

Originally Posted by wstein

So then "We, humans" are the GODs referred to.

I usually phrase the question in this way: Set aside for the moment what exists or if anything actually exists, how is it possible that anything can exist? Shouldn't 'nothing' have remained thus?

No answer here because clearly there is no way to boot strap the ceasing of nothing.

Note that I do not consider "it always existed" as a valid answer as it does not answer how it is possible.

You assume that "firstly" there was nothing ... Why? Because you can't conceive that something can't not have a beginning? In a non-dual realm you don't have to have both something and nothing ...

Who created God? Then, who created God's creator? ...

Let's just accept there are things that our minds can't fathom.

Let's find out the answers to smaller and more practical questions: Why are we, humans, here? What do we try to do? What am I supposed to do?

[wstein]

Originally Posted by inavalan

You assume that "firstly" there was nothing ... Why? Because you can't conceive that something can't not have a beginning? In a non-dual realm you don't have to have both something and nothing ...

I definitely do not assume that first there was nothing. Doesn't really matter if there was a nothing first, the question is about how there is a something currently. How is that even possible for there to be a something.

Originally Posted by inavalan

Let's just accept there are things that our minds can't fathom.

Let's find out the answers to smaller and more practical questions: Why are we, humans, here? What do we try to do? What am I supposed to do?

"Argue for your limitations, and sure enough they're yours." - Richard Bach

Do not assume everyone on this forum is human.
Also do not assume that those who are human intend to stay human.
Growth is a thing that can be embraced and even realized.

[Shivani Devi]

Originally Posted by wstein

Do not assume everyone on this forum is human.

Quoted for sheer emphasis.

[Lolly]

Originally Posted by wstein

I definitely do not assume that first there was nothing. Doesn't really matter if there was a nothing first, the question is about how there is a something currently. How is that even possible for there to be a something.

"Argue for your limitations, and sure enough they're yours." - Richard Bach

Do not assume everyone on this forum is human.
Also do not assume that those who are human intend to stay human.
Growth is a thing that can be embraced and even realized.

What do you mean?